| "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
- Hamlet III ii, 242 |
The variety of reasons given for male genital cutting (and the irrationality of many of them) is amazing. List them all together and your mind will boggle.
(All of these reasons have been seriously offered, or even led to circumcisions. All spelling and punctuation is sic.)
(Yes, there are also some good reasons.)
Posted in MSN message board
Rosie O'Donnell, in Redbook, October 1997/Responses to a survey conducted by Paul Baker <pbaker[AT-sign]nermal.santarosa.edu>/Joe Crummey KABC AM 790, Los Angeles Dec 5 1999 / big_giant_head on Chronicle of Higher Education, June 18, 2010 / badunkadunk13 on babynbump forum, May 6, 2009
Austin0205
Message #1148
03/31/07 05:19 PM
Want to know Why I circed my sons. Ummmmm, let me think for a sec....OH yeah I know, cause I wanted to, thats why. None of you anti-circ, people bashing, assh*les know ANYTHING you just know what you read and hear. You think ONLY you are right and EVERYBODY else is wrong. But guess what, You don't get to tell us what we can do to our own children because their OUR children not yours. If you want your son to look like a freak and feel bad about himself thats fine ,what-ever-floats-your -boat. But when it come to MY child, he is under MY control till he is 18. I say what goes, not him. When we ALL become parents, we have to make a decision right or wrong but it is ours to make. Not yours or Joe Shmo down the steet. I gave birth to my beautiful sons and I am the one to make that choice for him because he can't. So stop making parents that have circed their sons feel bad about because they shouldn't, its their child so keep you big fat fuukin noses out of our(their) buisness....To each their own.
Midwesternmomma on a page for regreful parents (560 messages in May 2010) at mothering.com, Februay 7, 2004
Actor Tony Randall on the Late Late Show, Oct 6, 1998 / said to a man being operated on for kidney stones / Told by a doctor to T--, now a restoring father
Said to the source's mother-in-law in 1971 at Baptist Hospital, Lynchburg VA - <japg[AT-sign]mindspring.com>
Said to the doctor by the father of a schoolmate of hoodyh1(AT)yahoo.co.nz, posting to Circumsexual(AT)yahoogroups.com on Aug 14, 2007
This may have been true: hoodyh1
was told "it was expected by the college that a circumcision would take place regardless of the students wishes."
Told to a schoolmate of matelot923(AT)yahoo.com, posting to Circumsexual(AT)yahoogroups.com on Aug 14, 2007
The Hite Report on Male Sexuality, pp. 397-398 / Sara, writing to Chatelaine
According to a patient of Phil Nguyen, Indiana U School of Medicine
feedback from M Hogan
Theodore Spearman, Judge in the case of McLain vs Biedel, 2005
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REAL PURPOSE OF CIRCUMCISION: a little pain right after birth to innoculate the boy against the pains of life a little tough love right off the bat — Posted by face it to the NY Times |
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I'm clipped, as were almost all boys in my generation. When I was in grade school there was only one boy in my gym classes who wasn't (as I'd spied in the locker room) and I felt so sorry for him because he had this horrifically deformed dick! Then, in 8th grade a slutty girlfriend told me about circumcision and I was absolutely shocked that my parents had volunteered part of my dick to be cut off??? WTF!!! Nonetheless, when I got married and had a son my wife was insistent on him being clipped, and since I'm bi (as wifey knows) I didn't want to advocate not clipping him just because I find playing with foreskins wildly hot and hours of extra entertainment. ArtIsDead on Gawker, August 17, 2010 |
Mom of two sons, ages 7 and 17: "One is circumcised, and the other is not. When my youngest was born, I asked my then 10-year-old if he thought his brother should be circumcised, and he said yes, that he wished he was." |
When you see a young baby that has a very high fever, one thing you immediately think of is a UTI. To rule it out, you need a sterile urine sample. A circumcised penis gives sterile urine naturally, but because of bacteria under the foreskin, an uncircumcised penis doesn't. So, for a proper workup, you need to tranquilize the baby and pass a tube in, and it becomes an invasive procedure just to get a sample.
Dr Edgar Schoen, in The Nest Baby Talk about snatching victory from the jaws of defeat! It was the unsterile urine samples of the intact boys that formed the basis of Tom Wiswell's (false) claim that they are more susceptible to UTIs! |
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When the Russian Army came closer to the camps, the Germans started marching us back toward Germany. We were seven young men who escaped the Death March. One day the Russians made us pull down our pants to see if we were circumcised; that was the only way they could tell that we were Jewish. It saved our lives. Bless the ancient tradition that I am here to write about. Henry R. Schindler in LoHud.com, August 2, 2009 [It was not only liberating Russians who pulled down men's pants to see if they were Jewish, but conquering Nazis. It cost those men their lives. Did they bless the ancient tradition they are not here to write about? ] |
... I am a Muslim American, circumcised at birth by the will of Allah. This was His sign to me to become a Muslim. ... Were you circumcised without any reason, like already being a Muslim? You are probably wondering why you received the sign of circumcision. Well, welcome to this group! Here you can discover the true reason for your circumcision from Allah, the Merciful. |
The book, Symbols of Judaism states, “Circumcision is a way of introducing language into the body and bringing the body of the infant into the sphere of language…[it] enables human beings to enter into the dimension of language.” |
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I would argue that circumcision is the human form of pruning; it is designed to prevent the child (plant) from overstepping his boundaries (becoming a hybris) by means of connecting the son to the father. This ritual of symbolic pruning essentially establishes paternal authority (though it does not establish paternity) and marks the beginning of what will hopefully become a healthy relationship with the law. |
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... while I wasn't Jewish, my son, borne by [sic] a Jewish mother, was, by definition and birthright. ... Sam, of course, was oblivious to all this ... The doctor visited our room to discuss circumcision. She was Jewish, and while she expressed her respect for whatever feelings we had on the procedure, there was no mistaking her advocacy. Tracy had qualms, if not deep misgivings, having nothing to do with religion or Judaism. While her family wasn't particularly observant, she certainly had no reservations about identifying as a Jew. But as a progressive, enlightened, American woman, raised in the seventies, she had a reflexive aversion to submitting her son to what could be described as ritual mutilation. To me, it was very clear, and I surprised myself by calmly and clearly making my point. "I understand what you're saying, honey, and I'm not saying we have to do a bris and the whole floor show. [Medical circumsion without a bris - never mind the floor show - has no significance in Judaism.] But you're Jewish, so he's Jewish. He's part of a culture and a continuum that I can't even pretend to understand or fully appreciate. So let me put it this way: If the doctor does it now, here in the hospital, I'll go in the room with the two of them, and I'll hold him. And when she gets busy with the scalpel, I'll look him in the eye and give him someone to scream at. But in thirteen years, if he decides he wants to have a bar mitzvah and he isn't circumcised, [Circumcision is not a requirement for bar mitzvah.] then you are going to be in that room with him. I'm going to Vegas." Now, I understand that people have strong opinions about this, but in my first major decision as a father, I felt it was right to connect Sam to a long cultural tradition outside of my own. So I cradled my son with a pre-P[arkinson's ]D[isease] steadiness and cooed at him while the doc did the deed. No doubt, it hurt him a hell of a lot more than it hurt me. "Always Looking Up: The Adventures of an Incurable Optimist" by Michael J Fox, pp 183-4 |
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It’s kind of like a brand. ... A mark, in the flesh, to denote possession. That’s what a brand is. And it’s what circumcision was. It said, “You belong to me. I have made a covenant with you–and you belong to me. This says it in your body. In your flesh.” |
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I remember when I was a kid and my circumcised friend asked his mother why my penis was different from his. She told him circumcision had to be done and he questioned her logic because of me. It was very clear to me that his mother was angry with me after that. She was upset that I had a foreskin and that their bubble of ignorance was disrupted. She had made her decision assuming that "everyone" was doing it and her son would be surrounded by cut children and never know the difference. She gave my mother som pro-circ literature and tried to convince her to mutilate me. Even then it was clear to me that her desire to take my foreskin away had nothing to do with me and everything to do with making her son "normal". There is no way to make a cut child whole again so the only option parents like her have is to try to cut the kids around him so he never questions it. Guilt leads to denial and the deeper the guilt the more adament the denial. Posted by Steve Bates on change.org12/31/2008 @ 12:08PM PST |
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When I was 18 and in the Army, during infantry training after Basic, we were out in a swamp area and in a lot of grass. I got chiggers in my foreskin ... After one episode of scratching, the area was hugely swollen and the scratches were bleeding. It soon was infected. The Army doctor said they could treat the infection but the problem would be eliminated if I was circumcised. jumper-269373 on Newsvine, April 2, 2009 |
Aprocrine miliaria (Fox-Fordyce Disease): A rare disorder, usually of women, where sweat trapped in the sweat glands results in itching inflammation of the involved tissue. There are no sweat glands under the foreskin. |
My partner was born with no opening in his foreskin, there was like a scar where it should have been. ... when they tried to fix his foreskin they started by just creating an opening but they didn't use his natural one and it split leaving him with two openings so they had to do a circumcision. ... So when I say it was real medical reasons, I don't mean American medical reasons! |
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“In one incident an Inkatha member was captured on his way to work and was brought to the self-defence units, who handed him to a sangoma. The man’s hands were tied behind his back and he was circumcised on the spot. “It is said the foreskin of his penis was mixed with other herbs to make intelezi , which we were ordered to smear our bodies with to be invincible against Inkatha members. - Former ANC cadre Donald Stephen Makhura, reported in City Press (South Africa) February 7, 2010 |
Jack Hayford, another charismatic Baptist preacher, ... is a
frequent speaker at Promise Keepers seminars ... One of the other beliefs that Jack Hayford promotes stems from
... a vision of [Jesus] seated in heaven, ... Jesus told Hayford why God required
circumcision in the Old Testament. "God wants to touch your very
identity as a man," Hayford explained to the group, in an effort to
encourage adult circumcision on those men who had not yet
experienced the ritual. "He wants to reach out and touch your secret
and private parts. This enables Him to better perform surgery on the
heart. God wants to touch man¹s creative parts." (from a speech made by Hayford to the Promise Keepers
during their regional conference in Anaheim, California, 14 May
1994.)
Barbara Victor, "The Last Crusade, Religion and the Politics of Misdirection" |
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Among the many factors I considered was the extent to which my own personal life decisions had been influenced by sex, despite my apparent diminished enjoyment of the act because of my mutilated condition. It appeared to me that the argument was that I should choose that my son should be even more influenced by that particular pleasure because of its greater intensity? |
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Bheki was circumcised purely by chance. When his wife went to hospital to give birth to their second son, Bheki was jokingly advised by his doctor to get circumcised so he and his wife could 'recover' together. "He told me that while my wife was healing from the process, I should also get circumcised and we could heal together without any sexual expectations from either party. Being a guy who needs regular sex, I took up his suggestion ... "Sex, circumcision" in the Times of Swaziland, September 11, 2009 |
And this doesn't include the underlying reasons - to show him who's in charge and what they think about his sexuality.
Good reasons for post-neonatal circumcision
(There is nothing a baby can be born with that makes immediate (neonatal) circumcision necessary.)
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[To provide skin for repair of his hypospadias - removed, since alternatives have been found] |
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To provide skin for repair of his burnt eyelids |
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To provide mucosa for repair of the urinary tract after radical prostate surgery (because the inner foreskin is devoid of hair follicles and used to being inside the body and in contact with urine). |
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To treat major, irreparable trauma to the foreskin (more serious than "caught in a zipper") |
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To provide mucosa for a vaginoplasty (sex-change) |
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To treat cancer of his foreskin |
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To treat gangene/frostbite |
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[As a treatement of last resort for chronic balanitis (inflammation) due to diabetes] Removed. |
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If the circumcision wound gets infected, making you wear a condom, and your lover has HIV, it could save your life. (This happened to Peter Frazer, Roy Cohn's lover - the only confirmed instance of circumcision saving a life! A New Zealander, he'd had himself circumcised to "look more American") |
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Because you are an adult who want it done to yourself. |
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